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STANDING TALL
9/24/2001
Well said Joe!
you think you know it all
9/24/2001
good bye
satellitepatrol
9/25/2001
well i guess i have been converted to whitfield and texas way of thinking. we should just nuke them all!! but lets not stop there how about the orientals (japs and vietmanese) or the damn germans, how about the mexicans we were at war with them, or the french their lazy and worthless. lets bomb italy remember them, oh hell england started it all and their skin looks the same so we wont be prejiduce. how about the blacks we fought a war over them. lets get the indians remember their the ones that used to have terrorst attacks against us. and you know those pesky hare kirsnas cant we just kill them? well i could go on but god is calling me back to my kkk meeting were going to prove we should be the only ones on his earth.
GranpaSplice
9/25/2001
A quick lesson in history: The only true naive Americans in this country are the Indians. Other than that, we are ALL foreigners here.
Glenn
9/25/2001
The following was written by Tamim Ansary. Tamim is an Afghani-American writer. He is to be one of the most brilliant people in this lifetime. Here is his take on Afghanistan and the whole mess we are in......I've been hearing a lot of talk about "bombing Afghanistan back to the Stone Age." Ronn Owens, on KGO Talk Radio, allowed that this would mean killing innocent people, people who had nothing to do with this atrocity, but "we're at war, we have to accept collateral damage. What else can we do?" Minutes later I heard some TV pundit discussing whether we "have the belly to do what must be done." And I thought about the issues being raised especially hard because I am from Afghanistan, and even though I've lived here for 35 years I'venever lost track of what's going on there. So I want to tell anyone who will listen how it looks from where I am standing. I speak as one who hates the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden. There is no doubt in my mind that these people were responsible for the atrocity in New York. I agree that something must be done about those monsters. But the Taliban and Bin Laden are not Afghanistan. They're not even the government of Afghanistan. The Taliban are a cult of ignorantpsychotics who took over Afghanistan in 1997. Bin Laden is a political criminal with a plan. When you think Taliban, think Nazis. When you think Bin Laden, think Hitler. And when you think 'the people of Afghanistan' think 'the Jews in the concentration camps.' It's not only that the Afghan people had nothing to do with this atrocity. They were the first victims of the perpetrators. They would exult if someone would come in there, take out the Taliban and clear out the rats nest of international thugs holed up in their country. Some say, why don't the Afghans rise up and overthrow the Taliban? The answer is, they're starved, exhausted, hurt,incapacitated, suffering. Afew years ago, the United Nations estimated that there are 500,000 disabled orphans in Afghanistan-a country with no economy, no food. There are millions of widows. And the Taliban has been burying these widows alive in mass graves. The soil is littered with land mines, the farms were all destroyed by the Soviets. These are a few of the reasons why the Afghan people have not overthrown the Taliban. We come now the question of bombing Afghanistan back to the Stone Age. Trouble is, that's been done. The Soviets took care of it already. Make the Afghans suffer? They're already suffering. Level their houses? Done. Turn their schools into piles of rubble? Done. Eradicate their hospitals? Done. Destroy their infrastructure? Cut them off from medicine and health care? Too late. Someone already did all that. New bombs would only stir the rubble of earlier bombs. Would they at least get the Taliban? Not likely. In today's Afghanistan, only the Taliban eat, only they have the means to move around. They'd slip away and hide. Maybe the bombs would get some of those disabled orphans, they don't move too fast, they don't even have wheel chairs. But flying over Kabul and dropping bombs wouldn't really be a strike against the criminals who did this horrific thing. Actually it would only be making common cause with the Taliban-by raping once again the people they've been raping all this time. So what else is there? What can be done, then? Let me now speak with true fear and trembling. The only way to get Bin Laden is to go there with ground troops. When people speak of "having the belly to do what needs to be done" they're thinking in terms of having the belly to kill as many as needed. Having the belly to overcome any moral qualms about killing innocent people. Let's pull our heads out of the sand. What's actually on the table is Americans dying. And not just because some Americans would die fighting their way through Afghanistan to Bin Laden's hideout. It's much bigger than that folks. Because to get any troops to Afghanistan, we'd have to go through Pakistan. Would they let us? Not likely. The conquest of Pakistan would have to be first. Will other Muslim nations just stand by? You see where I'm going? We're flirting with a world war between Islam and the West. And guess what: that's Bin Ladens program. That's exactly what he wants. That's why he did this. Read his speeches and statements. It's all right there. He really believes Islam would beat the west. It might seem ridiculous, but he figures if he can polarize the world into Islam and the West, he's got a billion soldiers. If the west wreaks a holocaust in those lands, that's a billion people with nothing left to lose, that's even better from Bin Laden's point of view. He's probably wrong, in the end the west would win, whatever that would mean, but the war would last for years and millions would die, not just theirs but ours. Who has the belly for that? Bin Laden does. Anyone else? Tamim Ansary
The One and Only Brett
9/25/2001
Grandpa splice I think you mean Native not naive? I hope thats what you mean anyways
The One and Only Brett
9/25/2001
One more thing I do agree with Granpa about the not all towel heads are bad. BUT we must make an example of these terrorist bastards once and for all. Unfortunately civilians will be killed, thats war. But you know what 6000 were killed while making copy's, drinking coffee, talking to friends, just coming to work and the worst thing of all is we weren't even at war with anyone at the time. Unfortunately Afganastan hasn't had the balls about doing anything with these barbaric fucks and now they've launched an attack upon us. So that leaves us with no alternative but to level the fucking country that couldn't take care of the problem in the first place. It's like mad cow disease, yeah not all are bad but they all have to go. Those that are not terrorists, run for the hills and hold on to your turbins cuz we're coming. The one huge difference Grandpa is that we the U.S. don't tolerate terrorism, Look at Tim McViegh, I think he's mole food now isn't he? So say a radical Militia group did launch an attack on another country, Im sure that our government would join in the search for this group and if not punish them ourselves we would turn them over to meet they're fate. As for me I say we get two birds with one stone, Iraq and Afganastan, level the places and give them both to Russia, we sure could use an alliance like them and they could use our technology.
GranpaSplice
9/25/2001
Yes I meant to spell native. But you Brett, have given me something to think about. I'd like to think that the other countries would deal with terrorist that come from their country , if they had the resources. But I don't know. I know the U.S. deals with their own. I can see why they would all want to come here to live though.
satellitepatrol
9/25/2001
we do have our own terroists but we call them mercinaries and let them advertise in rags like soldier of fortune. no i am not sticking up for bin laddin but we need to let the goverment handle the retribution and quit the homegrown revenge. i beleive that if allowed our service men can and will get this asshole, we just need to return to normal here and make sure that the terrorist dont win by making us afraid of each other.
nrb1
9/25/2001
I'm still waiting for an intelligent response to an obviuos problem.Like Mama said two wrongs doesnt make a right.
